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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 606 for the 24th of May

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2020 Whichard saunders here with you

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from mmm

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but no wet and cold rainy Sydney

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Australia coming up on this week's show

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it's the return of the think tank

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longtime listeners to the show will

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remember but years ago in the early days

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of the skeptic zone skeptic zone

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reporters and guests who would meet at

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the club at the end of the street which

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is a club about ten minutes walk from

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where I live

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anyway would meet there have a nice

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dinner in the evenings a couple of

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drinks and record a live session of the

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think tank which is basically chatting

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about sceptical issues of the day on

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this week's show we do it again or we

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did it again yesterday we got together

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virtually we zoomed so to speak and what

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do we discuss we discuss strange

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machines that promise to zap your

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viruses or parasites and I also promised

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to send magical waves through your body

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and detect vibrations and report back

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and say look this person's got a bad

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liver all the heart's not so good or

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this person needs him homeopathic

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treatment bioresonance machines and

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zappers and things like that all up for

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discussion in the think tank and then to

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round off the show we have another

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report from our friend susan gerbic

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about time why do I say about time

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because the report is about time now it

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is about time not about time but it's

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about time to find out what I mean with

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susan gerbic coming up to round off the

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the show I must say I have been enjoying

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the various online skeptical meetings

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la seems to be a lot of them hardly a

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to one they've come to me one from the

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Gold Coast here in Australia another one

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for Nia the skeptics guide to the

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universe have a weekly online presence

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where you can see them all chatting and

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even oh yes oh my goodness me even our

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own maynard as a live show every week

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which is fabulous great fun

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I might even send a video of me dancing

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in this week's show notes but now it's

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other side of the microphone arm ah

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what's this that looks good

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this is a mock-up is that is I think

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chocolate whose oh that's yummy Oh

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join us now for drinking skeptically in

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the think tank well welcome everybody to

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the very first virtual think tank and

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this first time that we've been doing

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this way now the think tank was

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something we used to do at the club at

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now we've been reduced reduced to using

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don't need to know why joining me in

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this first virtual think tank are

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reporters from all over Australia we

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have way up in the Northern Territory

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Michelle Franklin hello Michelle hello

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how you going great to see you and you

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of course you do the life as wild

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segments we have in Sydney Iran sir give

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hello everyone grain of salt come on

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everybody grain in Brisbane we've got

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dr. Pauley hello dr. Polly near Brisbane

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Northern Rivers it's the raw skeptic

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herself Heidi Robertson hello yeah it's

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a chilly 12 degrees Celsius here oh

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fine then there's a nice skeleton behind

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healthy and all the way in there and all

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the ways in Brisbane that's fighting

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words it's manually Noble hello Mandy

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Lee morning everyone good morning and

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joining us from fabulous Melbourne

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it's Michelle big asthma hello Michelle

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to be here and to see you all great to

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this first time we've all been well most

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of the skeptics and reporters have been

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got some interesting things to chat

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that came to my attention and it came to

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that was really great by Ken Harvey

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quackery and things and that led me down

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TGA the Therapeutic Goods Administration

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conference way back in 2002 here in New

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South Wales by the then Minister of

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Health where he said we are cracking

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devices so in 2002 the Minister for

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wonderful committee that was set up with

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do all these all these things now Iran

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device do you remember that i do i got

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that's just as wrong with me there were

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all kinds of things flashing on the

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screen the chod there was there was a

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basically a picture of a human body like

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us with a you know where the different

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organs internal organs are and there

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anything to do with my real health

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situation at the time the amazing thing

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like a hundred and fifteen dollars if I

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remember correctly and then the most

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disappointing part of all of this was

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that Bupa reimbursed me for it they

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didn't reverse the whole thing but but

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this I I have to see what happens and

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this would be about five years ago it

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was just before Brad joined our

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committee five years ago yeah yeah I

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just wonder whether that would still fly

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given the the review that they've had

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all the the slightly some of them more

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worried things that you can claim on

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naturopaths naturopaths can still you

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can still claim for naturopath with most

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health funds by the way this is

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something i don't know whether is still

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true but a few years ago australia's

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australian sceptics we did a review of

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what the health funds do and it was

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interesting to find that the only health

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fund of all the health funds in private

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health funds in australia the only one

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that reimburses for know quackery at all

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nothing

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was the doctors health fund now the the

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device that yes the device that you

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hooked up to iran is known as the

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Metatron nonlinear scanning or nls it's

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from russia no yes it's from russia and

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the woman involved the naturopath is

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from a clinic in Moss Vale which is

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outside of Sydney called eh neutral

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missin clinic run by Donna helical and

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at her practice you can have live blood

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analysis and get homeopathy but the

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claims that she makes for this this

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Metatron is that it will you know scan

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your whole body show you where the

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pathogens are including things like

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parasites and then zap them it sends

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messages back through the headphones

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which go into the body finds the

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parasite on your liver aware over the

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hell it is and give them a zap and kill

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them zapping is exactly the term that

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the minister used almost 20 years ago he

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said we won't want to ban these and rule

317
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these and stop these from happening

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wasn't sorry Richard wasn't very

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Scheibner selling as a purse of various

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kinds as well the anti-vaxxer that rings

321
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a bell I'd have to look at that yeah

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after 20 years it all gets a bit of a

323
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jumble you know who was telling which to

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which we Quakers cracked in Warwick

325
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wacker II which what square so we're

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interested I mean I mean I've been

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studying this thing on and off for years

328
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and up but I think this lecture by Ken

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Harvey's really motivated me to take

330
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this further now you can buy these

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products the Metatron here in Australia

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by a group called NL s Australasia and

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they've got a website where you can buy

334
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it and they market different varieties

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of this

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sort of one based for Chinese people

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which is all very oriental and Chinese

338
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symbols and things like that one base

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that says for Western medicine so you

340
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can see where where that's going and it

341
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comes from the Institute of practical

342
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psychophysics in ops which was founded

343
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in 1990 where one Vladimir Nesterov

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invented the science for making this

345
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this device it's quite incredible but

346
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what may be even more incredible is yes

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in just last year the TGA the

348
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therapeutics good Administration said

349
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they're going to be cracking down on

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bioresonance machines so we're living in

351
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a in a dream in a revolving cycle here

352
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so maybe this time they'll do something

353
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about it this reminds me of a recent

354
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thing that happened to me about 12 or 18

355
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months ago where I was doing a little

356
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bit of contract work for one of the

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insurers where they just get me to come

358
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along to corporate places and do little

359
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nutrition reviews so how you going with

360
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your nutrition and then I was there they

361
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had someone from one of the big insurers

362
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and they had like an electronic device

363
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that was like a pen that they would put

364
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the people's hand and it would tell them

365
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how much of all the different vitamins

366
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and minerals they had and give them an

367
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actual printout

368
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good grief and I didn't know what it was

369
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but it was some sort of bioresonance

370
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device yeah and and so I just sort of

371
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and going to do these sort of corporate

372
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nutrition things in corporate seminars

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is pretty you know standard kind of

374
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stuff for that they get dietitians to do

375
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and if you're doing if you're between

376
00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:28,440
jobs it's a good ability contract work

377
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but to be doing that and then having it

378
00:16:38,540 --> 00:16:34,830
the next room people would have this

379
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device that they used and I asked where

380
00:16:41,420 --> 00:16:39,930
they got up from it wasn't very

381
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expensive actually got it from Harvey

382
00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:45,930
Norman and I tried to buy one so this

383
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was before not the last skeptic on but

384
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the one beforehand and they weren't very

385
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expensive so I actually tried to

386
00:16:59,300 --> 00:16:53,850
I want to take to skip decomp but they'd

387
00:17:01,850 --> 00:16:59,310
all sold out now Trish let me ask you

388
00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:01,860
from your point of view being involved

389
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in actual scans of the human body what

390
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,900
would it mean destitute to medicine than

391
00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:08,160
science if you could put a pair of

392
00:17:13,850 --> 00:17:09,930
headphones on then see all your internal

393
00:17:15,710 --> 00:17:13,860
organs down to the level of DNA honestly

394
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:15,720
like for a start I should meet didn't

395
00:17:20,060 --> 00:17:17,520
use ionizing radiation it would remove a

396
00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:20,070
massive amount of the radiation that we

397
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give people it would probably make me

398
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:25,680
redundant I imagine cuz you know if

399
00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:27,600
anyone can anyone can put a pair of

400
00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:29,610
headphones on someone so I'd be out of a

401
00:17:34,580 --> 00:17:31,980
job almost instantly as with my

402
00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:34,590
colleagues but honestly for health care

403
00:17:38,090 --> 00:17:36,360
that's why you're trying to suppress

404
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,100
this isn't it well that's why that's

405
00:17:41,540 --> 00:17:40,080
obviously why why I joined uh skeptics

406
00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:41,550
was to try and get rid of this kind of

407
00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:43,710
this thing it's a real risk to me in my

408
00:17:48,170 --> 00:17:46,470
income but it would mean you know we

409
00:17:49,730 --> 00:17:48,180
could actually instead of having to do a

410
00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:49,740
clinical examination of a patient

411
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,950
followed by the appropriate imaging if

412
00:17:57,170 --> 00:17:54,480
we could just put a set of headphones on

413
00:17:59,330 --> 00:17:57,180
boom done and it would also mean as well

414
00:18:01,040 --> 00:17:59,340
you could do it at home so we could

415
00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:01,050
actually have we are we have a thing

416
00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:02,700
called telly radiology which is where

417
00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:05,940
someone miles away will report the

418
00:18:09,470 --> 00:18:07,710
imaging and then turn the reports back

419
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:09,480
we could also do that with the scans

420
00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:11,730
themselves I mean you could get rid of

421
00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:13,620
radiology departments entirely but most

422
00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:15,630
you'd need would be a small phone box

423
00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:17,400
size thing that you can sit in and chuck

424
00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:19,830
some headphones on I'm not keen I'll be

425
00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:22,500
honest I'm not keen so I'm just sure I'm

426
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:24,780
just showing that the gang now I don't

427
00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:26,010
know if you can see that there's ear on

428
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:28,200
a picture of Iran actually having this

429
00:18:32,270 --> 00:18:30,690
test done look at that they're not even

430
00:18:32,930 --> 00:18:32,280
on your ears are oh it's got nothing to

431
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:32,940
do with my ears

432
00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:36,810
that's great face why would you expect

433
00:18:41,710 --> 00:18:37,380
them to be

434
00:18:43,820 --> 00:18:41,720
it's an energy field

435
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:43,830
it sounds like they just made some

436
00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:45,450
really poorly fitting headphones and

437
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:47,070
made up a way to flip them off for

438
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:49,530
profit yeah and I'm also just showing

439
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:51,690
the gang now that's the the screen in

440
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:54,530
action as you can see hopefully you see

441
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:56,970
it but it shows you all sorts of

442
00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:00,000
scanning devices scanning images and

443
00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:01,950
graphs and robots and all sorts of

444
00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:02,760
things look at them

445
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:04,350
Trish Chris what is this

446
00:19:09,260 --> 00:19:06,450
just look prettier look at those kidneys

447
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:09,270
Oh apparently they are Iran's kidneys

448
00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:10,850
we're looking at right now there you go

449
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,710
I'm really offended that that what we

450
00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:15,360
would call an axial slice there of the

451
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:21,780
body was upside down well I think now

452
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,000
I'd be motivated motivated by what I've

453
00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:26,160
seen by Ken Harvey and remembering all

454
00:19:28,909 --> 00:19:27,660
this stuff from years ago because when

455
00:19:30,260 --> 00:19:28,919
you've been doing this for a long time

456
00:19:31,930 --> 00:19:30,270
all these things sort of build up they

457
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:31,940
never go away I've got all the files

458
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:34,640
maybe we can make much better

459
00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:37,919
representations to to the authorities of

460
00:19:44,149 --> 00:19:41,940
it mm-hmm which it can we organized to

461
00:19:51,289 --> 00:19:44,159
send somebody in that has had a kidney

462
00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:51,299
removed see what the scan shows well yes

463
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:53,130
we can but the scan will just we'll just

464
00:19:58,250 --> 00:19:57,600
show kidneys and there's probably an

465
00:20:00,980 --> 00:19:58,260
answer to that

466
00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:00,990
oh yes well it's it's interpreting the

467
00:20:07,159 --> 00:20:03,510
brains memory of the kidneys you know

468
00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:07,169
there's always an answer there's a nod

469
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,390
here have situs inversus which is where

470
00:20:12,169 --> 00:20:11,039
your organs are on the other side of the

471
00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:12,179
body so you're essentially a mirror

472
00:20:15,470 --> 00:20:14,130
image if we know anyone in skeptics

473
00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:15,480
community that has that it's not a

474
00:20:18,620 --> 00:20:16,740
condition you can live completely

475
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:18,630
normally with it please get in touch

476
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,250
because then we can send them off for a

477
00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:22,799
scan and that'll be hilarious well

478
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:24,600
sometimes you can get identical twins

479
00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:26,850
countries where one has that that's like

480
00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:29,220
a real yeah the mirror image twins they

481
00:20:33,370 --> 00:20:30,750
would be perfect cuz she could do one

482
00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:33,380
one side and then one the other side

483
00:20:39,409 --> 00:20:36,360
very cool what the thing that gets to me

484
00:20:41,779 --> 00:20:39,419
is like for us you know when we see this

485
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:41,789
device there's no thinking about we

486
00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:43,260
don't have to think now is that really

487
00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:45,240
possible what's going on here it's it's

488
00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:48,110
so obvious but to people like this

489
00:20:52,340 --> 00:20:50,460
naturopath these are the exactly the

490
00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:52,350
people these people in Russia target

491
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:54,600
people like naturopaths and natural

492
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,010
health people who haven't got the right

493
00:21:00,500 --> 00:20:59,039
education to know they go along to a

494
00:21:01,850 --> 00:21:00,510
presentation they're completely wowed

495
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:01,860
they're convinced by the science look

496
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,210
it's on the screen your patients all

497
00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:05,280
love it and they fork over thousands of

498
00:21:09,980 --> 00:21:07,710
dollars for these things it's far more

499
00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:09,990
common than people think I often have

500
00:21:15,980 --> 00:21:13,020
people come to me like I'm I'm providing

501
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:15,990
clinical services and I'll say oh how do

502
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:16,570
you know

503
00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:18,730
you have that and I'll say I went to my

504
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:20,590
naturopath and they use some sort of

505
00:21:25,379 --> 00:21:23,970
electronic device on me and diagnosed it

506
00:21:28,529 --> 00:21:25,389
every week

507
00:21:31,470 --> 00:21:28,539
really yeah absolutely

508
00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:31,480
the the and this is a thing we're not

509
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:34,350
actually picking up on the amount of

510
00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:38,799
whoo that's out there in health how many

511
00:21:45,330 --> 00:21:40,509
three research questions that have come

512
00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:45,340
up that we could use in order to collect

513
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:47,289
some nice data and actually be able to

514
00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:51,250
pressure both demonstrate the

515
00:21:57,419 --> 00:21:55,809
pervasiveness of how frequently patients

516
00:21:59,960 --> 00:21:57,429
are perhaps using this and then going to

517
00:22:05,549 --> 00:21:59,970
a quote-unquote legitimate practitioner

518
00:22:09,749 --> 00:22:05,559
but also to look at the England despite

519
00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:09,759
the changes the reforms in health

520
00:22:15,629 --> 00:22:12,070
insurance that these things are still

521
00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:15,639
being subsidized and then we could use

522
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:18,370
that plus the TJ's review to pressure

523
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:21,250
their health insurance to to get them

524
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:23,049
off those lists because I think it's

525
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:24,610
probably what's driving some of the

526
00:22:30,090 --> 00:22:27,250
behaviors and the problem is that a lot

527
00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:30,100
of it doesn't get detected because if

528
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:32,710
you go to like the chiropractor well

529
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:34,450
then you go to the naturopath fear

530
00:22:40,889 --> 00:22:37,840
nutrition so you kept within the circle

531
00:22:43,649 --> 00:22:40,899
of whoo as far as your different health

532
00:22:45,389 --> 00:22:43,659
practitioners go and it's only when you

533
00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:45,399
accidentally sort of pop out into

534
00:22:51,060 --> 00:22:48,340
someone who's evidence-based that it all

535
00:22:52,649 --> 00:22:51,070
gets uncovered that you're going around

536
00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:52,659
doing all these treatments and buying

537
00:22:55,860 --> 00:22:54,070
all these really expensive supplements

538
00:22:57,779 --> 00:22:55,870
hundreds and hundreds of dollars or

539
00:22:59,629 --> 00:22:57,789
supplements for no know about you know

540
00:23:01,710 --> 00:22:59,639
that these you know that these devices

541
00:23:05,070 --> 00:23:01,720
actually you just thought about the fact

542
00:23:07,289 --> 00:23:05,080
that it's less effective than the

543
00:23:08,999 --> 00:23:07,299
Scientology amita because the

544
00:23:11,399 --> 00:23:09,009
Scientology emitter actually measures

545
00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:11,409
something not something meaningful but

546
00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:14,440
it is actually measuring something or

547
00:23:18,539 --> 00:23:16,750
anything I'd be interested to know with

548
00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:18,549
some of these patients because one thing

549
00:23:24,389 --> 00:23:22,750
that I have encountered is it's becoming

550
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:24,399
an increasing problem that many women

551
00:23:28,570 --> 00:23:27,010
don't go for their antenatal scans so

552
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:28,580
they don't go and have their abnormal

553
00:23:33,310 --> 00:23:30,890
he scans its of 12 10 12 weeks whatever

554
00:23:35,289 --> 00:23:33,320
and to look at their babies but a lot of

555
00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:35,299
them are going to go and get the 4d

556
00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:37,460
scans that you can get done basically

557
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:39,830
anywhere that aren't actually medically

558
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:41,090
useful they're basically that you get

559
00:23:44,649 --> 00:23:43,010
the pretty picture of the hand and the

560
00:23:46,750 --> 00:23:44,659
face and everything but you're not

561
00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:46,760
looking for the normal things that we

562
00:23:50,919 --> 00:23:48,260
look for in antenatal scan to see

563
00:23:52,810 --> 00:23:50,929
whether that fetus is viable so

564
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:52,820
wonderfully cross over there in people

565
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:55,250
who are refusing to get actual medical

566
00:23:59,769 --> 00:23:57,769
scans which are safe but are instead

567
00:24:01,240 --> 00:23:59,779
maybe having these things done because

568
00:24:02,860 --> 00:24:01,250
it's not being given by a medical

569
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,870
professional but by a naturopath who is

570
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:05,600
safe the interesting stuff is they kind

571
00:24:08,769 --> 00:24:06,769
of cross over going on there as well

572
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:08,779
that's that's an interesting point and I

573
00:24:12,730 --> 00:24:10,250
was just glancing at this press release

574
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:12,740
from last year from the TGA part of it

575
00:24:18,220 --> 00:24:15,529
says the TGA is currently investigating

576
00:24:20,259 --> 00:24:18,230
the scientific credibility relating to

577
00:24:24,879 --> 00:24:20,269
diagnostic and therapeutic use of these

578
00:24:26,409 --> 00:24:24,889
devices really therapeutic use well I

579
00:24:28,060 --> 00:24:26,419
mean that they're investigating the

580
00:24:31,980 --> 00:24:28,070
scientific credibility that these

581
00:24:34,269 --> 00:24:31,990
machines is is it's be like

582
00:24:37,060 --> 00:24:34,279
investigating the credibility of the

583
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,070
aerodynamics of a ferry you know they

584
00:24:41,769 --> 00:24:38,720
call it tooth fairy science you know why

585
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:41,779
why would and that you know all lead

586
00:24:44,919 --> 00:24:43,250
from things like going to

587
00:24:46,889 --> 00:24:44,929
mind/body/spirit festivals have we all

588
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:46,899
been to mind/body/spirit festivals I

589
00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:51,679
walked past psychic Expo once I looked

590
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,470
in the door and there were about 17

591
00:25:01,480 --> 00:24:57,200
psychics sitting around smoking and to

592
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:01,490
visitors who looked a bit overwhelmed by

593
00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:02,750
all the psychics trying to get their

594
00:25:08,649 --> 00:25:05,630
attention there must be some up in your

595
00:25:12,669 --> 00:25:08,659
neck of the woods Heidi yeah we've got

596
00:25:14,259 --> 00:25:12,679
various different woo festivals up here

597
00:25:17,139 --> 00:25:14,269
and we've just got people in the street

598
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:17,149
in Byron Bay you know we've got the palm

599
00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:19,130
readers and the tarot readers and the

600
00:25:26,649 --> 00:25:24,830
coffee grind the readers and the Tea

601
00:25:29,019 --> 00:25:26,659
Leaf readers you can just walk down the

602
00:25:30,810 --> 00:25:29,029
street and Byron and take your pick

603
00:25:32,860 --> 00:25:30,820
sorry what you call among

604
00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:32,870
mind-body-spirit festival in Byron Bay

605
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,310
we had one from an interesting source up

606
00:25:45,499 --> 00:25:42,720
here one of the members of our dough and

607
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:45,509
skeptics group got an email from a pet

608
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:48,090
minding service so he used this pet

609
00:25:52,009 --> 00:25:49,559
morning service when he went on holiday

610
00:25:54,649 --> 00:25:52,019
so he got on their email list and they

611
00:25:56,989 --> 00:25:54,659
emailed him about a month or two ago and

612
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:56,999
offered him frequency therapy for his

613
00:26:02,989 --> 00:25:59,940
pets or for himself frequency therapy

614
00:26:05,149 --> 00:26:02,999
hmm it's one of the one of the the words

615
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,159
we look out for frequencies vibrations

616
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:07,919
nano quantum there's a list of

617
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:09,720
treatments that they're offering it says

618
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:11,700
I'm offering programs for the treatment

619
00:26:17,389 --> 00:26:15,059
of pain anxiety sleep so you've got to

620
00:26:21,249 --> 00:26:17,399
treat your sleep apparently mental and

621
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:21,259
emotional balance skin learning fitness

622
00:26:30,399 --> 00:26:26,720
meridians chakras bio energetic balance

623
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:30,409
protection programs aids in healing with

624
00:26:35,299 --> 00:26:33,419
stimulating self function Wow

625
00:26:36,859 --> 00:26:35,309
so this is if if you need your dog

626
00:26:38,479 --> 00:26:36,869
looked after when you go on holidays you

627
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:38,489
can get your meridians sorted out by the

628
00:26:44,299 --> 00:26:42,809
same people just just around the corner

629
00:26:47,389 --> 00:26:44,309
from me at my home there's an

630
00:27:10,609 --> 00:26:47,399
acupuncturist and on his sign he says

631
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:10,619
that he'll fix woman problems well

632
00:27:13,339 --> 00:27:11,970
that's a good point normally when we

633
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:13,349
used to have the think-tank sessions

634
00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:14,849
we'll all be having a nice glass of wine

635
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:16,590
or a couple of beers but ten o'clock in

636
00:27:20,989 --> 00:27:18,210
the morning maybe not such a good idea

637
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,999
now Michelle down there in Melbourne

638
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:22,679
Michelle Vickers mud have you ever been

639
00:27:27,499 --> 00:27:24,659
to one of these spirit mind festivals

640
00:27:31,989 --> 00:27:27,509
down there I haven't been able to bring

641
00:27:36,349 --> 00:27:31,999
myself to go to be honest but we have a

642
00:27:38,899 --> 00:27:36,359
psychic fair come to my actual suburb

643
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:38,909
we're on the circuit

644
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:43,980
so I've yea been disappointed by friends

645
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:46,980
going along and coming back to report

646
00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:49,750
that it must have been true because

647
00:27:58,620 --> 00:27:54,190
the psychic couldn't have known the the

648
00:28:02,220 --> 00:27:58,630
usual things that we hear but know my

649
00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:02,230
area is pretty woo but I actually

650
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:05,680
haven't been I've just recoiled really

651
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:08,410
mmm well when this madness is all over

652
00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:09,730
and things get back to somewhat

653
00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:11,380
normality if there's another one coming

654
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:13,420
up I think every skeptic should go at

655
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:15,310
least once at least once I mean I've

656
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:18,310
been going for 20 years but I do learn a

657
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:20,950
lot of things now let's talk about

658
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:23,170
another really strange thing talking

659
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:24,670
about this current situation Heidi

660
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:26,890
there's been some news about a bizarre

661
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:30,090
new conspiracy revolving around our

662
00:28:39,210 --> 00:28:34,930
currency here in Australia yes the $10

663
00:28:42,410 --> 00:28:39,220
banknotes the Australian $10 banknote I

664
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:42,420
think the most recent one came out in

665
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:47,890
2017 which of course was two years prior

666
00:29:00,420 --> 00:28:54,130
to covert 19 the new conspiracy claims I

667
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:00,430
the post that I saw read quote the new

668
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:04,650
$10 Australian Note complete with

669
00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:07,840
coronavirus symbols you can't make this

670
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:08,140
up

671
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:13,270
hashtag are you awake yet and so what

672
00:29:22,170 --> 00:29:17,650
this saying is on our $10 note they're

673
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:22,180
saying that this $10 note contains signs

674
00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:25,930
that the whole covert 19 pandemic is

675
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:29,230
just an elaborate hoax and and they've

676
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:31,540
hidden these clues in our $10 note that

677
00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:37,030
came out in 2017 so I don't know about

678
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:39,580
you I don't often look closely at the

679
00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:41,530
banknote so I had to actually take a

680
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:44,800
look at it and look I've just now

681
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:49,090
printed out here well so obviously the

682
00:29:51,930 --> 00:29:50,530
listeners won't be able to see it but

683
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:51,940
I'm just holding up to the screen a

684
00:29:59,240 --> 00:29:54,970
printout of the $10 note that they're

685
00:30:02,610 --> 00:29:59,250
talking about and you can see the yellow

686
00:30:05,879 --> 00:30:02,620
flowers which they are saying

687
00:30:10,019 --> 00:30:05,889
the coronavirus they're actually our

688
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:10,029
national floral emblem the flower of the

689
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:13,210
wattle which is a native species of

690
00:30:19,379 --> 00:30:16,330
flower here and the little flowers if

691
00:30:21,989 --> 00:30:19,389
you look closely sure they can I guess

692
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:21,999
look a little bit like a representation

693
00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:25,090
of a corona virus but then they're also

694
00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:28,659
saying see see that figure there that

695
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:31,480
I'm holding up apparently that's Bill

696
00:30:39,659 --> 00:30:35,710
Gates the night

697
00:30:42,239 --> 00:30:39,669
that's not Bill Gates the two people

698
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:42,249
featured on our $10 notes our banjo

699
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,980
Patterson and Dame Mary Gilmore so I'm

700
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,200
not sure whether how they think that's

701
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:49,360
Bill Gates but then look this isn't

702
00:30:58,499 --> 00:30:52,289
really that new because there is also

703
00:31:00,899 --> 00:30:58,509
the britain's 20 pound banknote which

704
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,909
has had similar conspiracy theories

705
00:31:05,489 --> 00:31:02,559
going around about that did you hear

706
00:31:07,859 --> 00:31:05,499
about this one Richard the Newton's 20

707
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:07,869
pound banknote so that was launched by

708
00:31:12,629 --> 00:31:09,940
the Bank of England on February the 20th

709
00:31:14,489 --> 00:31:12,639
this year and there have been numerous

710
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:14,499
posts that claim that that the

711
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:15,490
purple-colored

712
00:31:23,249 --> 00:31:20,080
polymer notes contain an image of a 5g

713
00:31:29,249 --> 00:31:23,259
mobile tower it's not it's a lighthouse

714
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:29,259
and they also say there is a symbol that

715
00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:31,480
resembles the shape of the virus which

716
00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:34,600
is actually an artistic representation

717
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:37,720
of like an aerial view looking down a

718
00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:41,350
spiral staircase so there we go we've

719
00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:44,860
got the 5g tower with with the corona

720
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,740
virus on the British 20 pound note we've

721
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:49,600
got the corona virus and Bill Gates on

722
00:32:00,509 --> 00:31:57,720
our $10 night and on the US a $1 bill

723
00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:00,519
have any of you seen what's on the $1

724
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:03,070
bill because it will shock you oh god I

725
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:07,690
know you awake yet freemason symbol on

726
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:10,210
it I don't know how the escapes you but

727
00:32:15,539 --> 00:32:13,240
on the $1 note they've got a freemason

728
00:32:16,410 --> 00:32:15,549
symbol on it which is there we go

729
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:16,420
Richard's holding one

730
00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:19,090
now see the fitzy the pyramid and at the

731
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:23,500
top of the pyramid is an eye hmm

732
00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:26,410
lots of people associate that image with

733
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:29,380
the Illuminati or Freemasons it's called

734
00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:30,910
the Eye of Providence

735
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:33,280
it's an ancient well an old Christian

736
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,670
symbol and it was not uncommon Lee used

737
00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:38,320
during the Middle Ages and the

738
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:42,430
Renaissance and then it was it was taken

739
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:45,700
by the designers of the of the $1 bill

740
00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:50,170
as a how do you say so it was

741
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:51,790
representing the eye of God watching

742
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:54,550
over humanity and watching over the

743
00:33:00,030 --> 00:32:56,530
United States and what your body this

744
00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:00,040
eye you really think that it's that you

745
00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:02,200
really are buying their story that it's

746
00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:04,420
not really the Illuminati the evidence

747
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:07,630
is overwhelming come on I mean if you

748
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:10,630
look at it there is it's just obvious

749
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:14,100
there's a global consortium of faceless

750
00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:17,410
powerless players intent on destroying

751
00:33:21,890 --> 00:33:19,660
humanity as we know it they're

752
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:21,900
controlling us all with mind control

753
00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:25,690
mind microchips which will obviously be

754
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:29,620
put into the vaccine for Cova 19 which

755
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:32,890
Bill Gates is organizing and poorab and

756
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:35,650
they're advertising it in plain sight on

757
00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:40,570
various notes currency notes so I'm a

758
00:33:46,290 --> 00:33:42,580
little bit disappointed around in your

759
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:46,300
skepticism in the face of what is

760
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:48,850
overwhelming evidence hashtag oh you

761
00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:51,730
like it well I never buy the conspiracy

762
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:55,180
for you oh yes about money so last night

763
00:34:01,650 --> 00:33:58,330
on the way home from work I went past an

764
00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:01,660
art gallery in some Peters and it had in

765
00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:04,300
the window a hundred dollar notes with

766
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:07,900
Scott Morrison's face on proving that he

767
00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:11,260
values money more than people in opening

768
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:12,669
up the lockdown sooner than he should

769
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:16,060
have and on top of that not two hours

770
00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:18,010
after I went past that art gallery last

771
00:34:24,510 --> 00:34:21,399
night a building nearby exploded so I'm

772
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:24,520
pretty sure that my conspiracy trumps

773
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:27,070
everyone else is in that Scott Morrison

774
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:28,870
values money more than people and he's

775
00:34:32,370 --> 00:34:29,800
trying to shape

776
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:32,380
by blowing up sand Peters I think we'll

777
00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:34,210
have to rename our show the conspiracy

778
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:36,700
zone but this one dollar American one

779
00:34:39,870 --> 00:34:38,290
dollar note is interesting Heidi I think

780
00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:39,880
listeners could use please send in to

781
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:41,080
the skeptic zone all your one dollar

782
00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:46,510
notes so we can examine those now the

783
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:48,820
final thing we can chat about generally

784
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,070
is that there was also another item

785
00:34:55,169 --> 00:34:53,679
about there's been an increase lately of

786
00:34:57,690 --> 00:34:55,179
people seeking the advice and the

787
00:34:59,580 --> 00:34:57,700
comfort of psychics and clairvoyance but

788
00:35:01,410 --> 00:34:59,590
I'm not I'm not too surprised to hear

789
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:01,420
that I mean these are troubled times I

790
00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:04,780
think it's it's not surprising there's a

791
00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:07,360
lot of psychics around my area lately

792
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:09,460
they're using public libraries to

793
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:12,370
actually see people and I've contacted

794
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,260
some of these public libraries and said

795
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:16,960
oh you know you realize because they

796
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:19,150
don't go under the guise of a life coach

797
00:35:25,230 --> 00:35:21,880
but when you look at their actual

798
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:25,240
websites their psychics and I said I do

799
00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:27,610
realize their psychics and they say oh

800
00:35:32,090 --> 00:35:30,520
we just we just hire the space out and I

801
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:32,100
go yeah but the space is owned by

802
00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:34,210
taxpayer money and it's greatly

803
00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:36,340
subsidized by taxpayer money so I think

804
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:38,470
you know we should have some oversight

805
00:35:44,850 --> 00:35:41,590
over who's using the space and what for

806
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:44,860
but I've also noticed this week that

807
00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:47,890
Pete Evans in his podcast series has had

808
00:35:52,830 --> 00:35:50,020
on someone who channels people as well

809
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:52,840
so it seems to be that it is broadly

810
00:35:59,730 --> 00:35:55,510
people are looking for supernatural

811
00:36:01,620 --> 00:35:59,740
I suppose comfort in this time what if

812
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:01,630
there's an increase in people going to

813
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:04,270
like various churches and and really

814
00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:07,570
just type stuff for the same reason sure

815
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:09,940
I mean yes is hot it's it's hardly it's

816
00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:11,950
hardly surprising the troubled times

817
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:16,780
people raisin in a cause in a an

818
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,450
explanation of something especially if

819
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,520
it's something that's out of your

820
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:24,160
control and I guess we're kind of doing

821
00:36:28,110 --> 00:36:26,110
the same thing when we're all feeling a

822
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:28,120
bit unsure of stuff so we kind of turn

823
00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:31,600
to the the science to seek comfort and

824
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:32,830
sort of knowledge about what might

825
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:33,490
happen

826
00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:35,050
it's just that else is probably more

827
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:37,750
likely to be true than there is I think

828
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:39,730
it stems as well from a lack of a

829
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,650
feeling of a lack of control when you

830
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:42,880
feel that you can't control your

831
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:43,480
environment

832
00:36:48,570 --> 00:36:45,940
you can't control what's going on you're

833
00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:48,580
either gonna like I guess come to terms

834
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:50,140
with it are you gonna embrace it and be

835
00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:51,730
like well I don't have control the stars

836
00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:54,100
are in control of my life there's been a

837
00:37:00,540 --> 00:36:57,220
massive explosion of apps with astrology

838
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:00,550
like this one is a cool co-star everyone

839
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:02,530
at my work has got this app and it just

840
00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:05,170
gives you your I guess your astrology

841
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:06,790
reading for the day and it's like kind

842
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:08,230
of a featured thing on your phone that

843
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:10,990
comes up and some of them is just a bit

844
00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:11,350
of fun

845
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:12,760
but in some people I know that they

846
00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:14,410
really are taking it very seriously and

847
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:15,790
what will happen is throughout the day

848
00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:17,050
they'll be like I knew that was going to

849
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,340
happen because this morning when I

850
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:21,280
checked my co-star I knew this today was

851
00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:22,690
gonna be a challenging day it's like you

852
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:24,220
work in a hospital during a pandemic

853
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:28,150
every day is a challenging day but it's

854
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:29,650
kind of becoming a bit more prevalent

855
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:32,740
and it's really depressing oh yeah it is

856
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,330
we as they say we live in interesting

857
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:37,119
times strange times I'm glad to say is I

858
00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:39,490
think listeners know things in Australia

859
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:41,500
aren't as bad certainly as they are in

860
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:42,670
many other countries around the world

861
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:45,609
and of course we feel for people in many

862
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:48,460
countries who are still yet to face the

863
00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:51,130
worst of this sadly enough um it was

864
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:54,070
pretty shocking that in their article

865
00:37:58,170 --> 00:37:55,960
Richard that you posted for us to read

866
00:38:01,650 --> 00:37:58,180
that the psychic was claiming her

867
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:01,660
business had increased by 25 percent I

868
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:06,450
think it was that's pretty large number

869
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:09,490
yes but if she only had five people come

870
00:38:17,609 --> 00:38:15,190
to it could also just be that people are

871
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:17,619
bored and at home and want something to

872
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:19,210
do so like oh well I'll give a psychic

873
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,100
ago Jax could be entertaining

874
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,640
she managed a number of psychics it

875
00:38:29,099 --> 00:38:26,800
wasn't just her she was managing a

876
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:29,109
number of them and her business had

877
00:38:34,109 --> 00:38:31,990
increased but also the I think you know

878
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:34,119
it's a time of uncertainty and people in

879
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:35,650
a time uncertainty are seeking an

880
00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:38,010
explanation and sometimes the expect

881
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,320
conspiracy theories offer a very good

882
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:43,619
explanation as a as are all kinds of

883
00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:46,210
paranormal explanations so there's

884
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:49,540
there's definitely a huge rise in racism

885
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,680
around coronavirus I've encountered for

886
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:55,359
the first time in many many years I've

887
00:39:00,140 --> 00:38:56,040
encountered

888
00:39:02,030 --> 00:39:00,150
Holocaust deniers on Facebook well you

889
00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:02,040
know I gave them some I sent them some

890
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:03,990
documents showing about the history of

891
00:39:10,610 --> 00:39:07,850
my family that did not convince them

892
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:10,620
surprisingly they were not convinced by

893
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:14,040
evidence so yeah I think it's generally

894
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,110
the kind of thing people feel uncertain

895
00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:17,760
they're looking for any kind of

896
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:20,840
explanation something doesn't have to be

897
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:24,270
rooted in reality did anyone look past

898
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:28,170
the headlines of the SBS article that

899
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:30,450
was doing the rounds about one in seven

900
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:34,200
Australians believing that 5g causes

901
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:35,640
coronavirus I

902
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:38,490
I only spotted the headline I didn't

903
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,950
read did anybody check that out I

904
00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:43,440
haven't I haven't seen what the local

905
00:39:46,580 --> 00:39:45,270
situation here is I think it's worse in

906
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:46,590
the UK I think they've got real problems

907
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:48,810
there and I just think it's sort of

908
00:39:52,850 --> 00:39:50,850
bubbling along here with the the general

909
00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:52,860
conspiracy theories but I'm not sure I

910
00:39:57,740 --> 00:39:54,840
think the worry there is that there's

911
00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:57,750
obviously a lot of gateway whoo and when

912
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,460
you have someone who wants to believe

913
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:01,380
that this is all manufactured in a lab

914
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:04,020
in Wuhan they're gonna Google things

915
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:05,130
related to that and then they're gonna

916
00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:07,290
get articles by people like David Icke

917
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:09,120
and David Icke is a massive Holocaust

918
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:10,740
denier so then maybe it's gonna open

919
00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:13,380
them up to more things like that and

920
00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:14,670
then you're gonna have this prevalence

921
00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:17,190
of other whoo that is going to come out

922
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,870
there and if you're already inclined

923
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:20,460
towards conspiracy theories you're going

924
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,780
to read these things and be like Oh

925
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:23,940
having you know I'm connecting with ops

926
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,260
I'm putting the patterns together and

927
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:26,880
that's gonna cause a really big problem

928
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,020
especially when you already feel like

929
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:29,760
you are out of control and it's

930
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:31,260
something else is controlling you if

931
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,180
that's something else is Bill Gates with

932
00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:36,480
a sort of great needle then yeah sorry

933
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:37,470
far be it for me to say anything

934
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,300
positive about Telstra but this is from

935
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:41,040
the Telstra's Facebook page

936
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:44,250
somebody said James a said take down 5g

937
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:46,380
towers they're weapons that cause corvid

938
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,650
and Telstra responded with hi James

939
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:51,480
5g tower will help you download your

940
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:57,230
conspiracy via videos faster response I

941
00:41:02,180 --> 00:40:59,880
think one thing that would really help

942
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:02,190
is people use the word unprecedented

943
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:04,320
quite a bit and actually I think it's

944
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,750
it's not true I think this is really is

945
00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:08,880
precedented and we can look at back in

946
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:09,600
time and we

947
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:12,570
see other flu outbreaks and even like

948
00:41:16,990 --> 00:41:14,670
the polio and what happened with polio

949
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,000
and we can see plenty of evidence of

950
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:20,040
similar situations where humans have had

951
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:23,490
to take you know a collaborative action

952
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:25,740
I don't know what where I saw the polio

953
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:27,240
there was a little short documentary

954
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:28,680
about polio and how they raised the

955
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:30,660
money to come up with a polio vaccine

956
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:34,290
through charity donations in America and

957
00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:36,180
it just I think would remind people that

958
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,150
this isn't unprecedented and we just got

959
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:41,160
to all work together and and that sort

960
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,800
of thing and push through it you know as

961
00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:46,800
a humanity does yeah that was known as

962
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:48,750
the March of Dimes that people

963
00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:50,310
encouraged to give their dimes their

964
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:53,340
small change to to aid this all those

965
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:55,770
years ago well on that note I'd want to

966
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:57,720
really thank all the wonderful skeptic

967
00:42:00,560 --> 00:41:58,920
zone reporters from around Australia

968
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:00,570
who've joined me today in this virtual

969
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:02,700
think tank I think we'll do it again I

970
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,010
think every month or so we should make a

971
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:06,480
habit of this maybe we can get some

972
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:09,150
special guests in to join us at the same

973
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:10,530
time that would be really great so

974
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:12,330
Michelle Franklin in the Northern

975
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:14,970
Territory thank you thank you Ron so

976
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:17,010
given Sydney thank you thanks Richard

977
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:19,800
nice to see everybody yes it is we are

978
00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:21,180
looking at everybody it's fantastic

979
00:42:26,330 --> 00:42:22,740
Heidi Robinson to the beautiful Northern

980
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:26,340
Rivers thank you thank you Trish hand

981
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:30,300
and skeleton friend thank you okay Mandy

982
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:32,970
lee noble thank you very much thank you

983
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:35,550
and goodbye everyone Thank You Michelle

984
00:42:40,610 --> 00:42:38,700
big as mine Melbourne and nice to see

985
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:40,620
you all and chat to you all as the new

986
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:46,110
kid on the block and dr. Paul II who

987
00:42:49,810 --> 00:42:47,700
would did a lot of the technical work in

988
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:49,820
making this happen thank you very much

989
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:06,560
[Music]

990
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:12,600
hi my name's Joe Thornley and I'd like

991
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:15,210
you to join my cup I'd like you to

992
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:18,210
listen to my podcast about cults called

993
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:20,520
zealot it's available pretty much any

994
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:22,230
way you find podcasts with further

995
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,170
reading on the zealot Facebook page each

996
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:27,480
episode a guest joins me to talk about a

997
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:29,430
specific cult where we answer the big

998
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:45,030
and does anyone think they're Jesus hop

999
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:46,570
over to my compound and have a listen

1000
00:44:15,230 --> 00:43:48,580
I've just mixed up a fresh batch of

1001
00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:17,360
here's susan gerbic

1002
00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:24,940
hello skeptics own listeners its susan

1003
00:44:29,230 --> 00:44:27,020
gerbic I wanted to let you know that

1004
00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:29,240
just because I'm keeping my ass at home

1005
00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:31,070
these days does not mean that things

1006
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:33,320
aren't getting done as you may know I

1007
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:37,130
run many projects gso w the wikipedia

1008
00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:37,790
project

1009
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:40,040
guerrilla skeptics which focuses on

1010
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:42,710
grief vampires Monterey County skeptics

1011
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:45,950
which is my local and many many more we

1012
00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:47,930
are now a nonprofit organization called

1013
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,590
about time which acts as an umbrella for

1014
00:44:55,630 --> 00:44:53,119
all the different projects that we run

1015
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:55,640
we have a brand new youtube channel

1016
00:45:01,089 --> 00:44:58,970
called about time project and a facebook

1017
00:45:03,339 --> 00:45:01,099
page that includes content from all the

1018
00:45:05,650 --> 00:45:03,349
different projects please check them out

1019
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:05,660
subscribe and share and that would

1020
00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:08,930
really help us out the GSO w project

1021
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:10,790
continues to turn out quality work in

1022
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:15,170
many languages we just added page 1399

1023
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:20,000
and those 1399 wikipedia pages have been

1024
00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:22,700
viewed sixty-two million two hundred and

1025
00:45:27,130 --> 00:45:24,440
forty nine thousand six hundred and

1026
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:27,140
eighty seven times a number that will be

1027
00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:28,970
completely outdated by the time the

1028
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:30,740
segment airs

1029
00:45:37,329 --> 00:45:34,910
speaking of page 1399 that was an

1030
00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:37,339
Afrikaans Wikipedia page for plan

1031
00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:40,070
Dimmick which I'm sure you're very aware

1032
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:41,990
of as it's been shared all over social

1033
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:45,050
media and skeptics have a permanent red

1034
00:45:50,109 --> 00:45:47,089
rash on their faces from constant face

1035
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,119
palming gso w is also written the

1036
00:45:54,099 --> 00:45:52,160
portuguese which chickapedia page for

1037
00:45:57,370 --> 00:45:54,109
plan Dimmick and possibly more by the

1038
00:45:59,470 --> 00:45:57,380
time you hear this center of inquiries

1039
00:46:01,630 --> 00:45:59,480
Ben Radford reached out to a few friends

1040
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:01,640
to help him with a project pushing back

1041
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:03,410
on Plan Dimmick

1042
00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:06,200
he got center of inquiry to ask the

1043
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:07,820
filmmaker if he would answer a few

1044
00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:09,950
questions about the documentary well it

1045
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:11,960
was a short documentary 20 minutes I

1046
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:14,150
believe the filmmaker responded in

1047
00:46:20,050 --> 00:46:16,130
writing that he would be happy to

1048
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:20,060
so Radford along with dr. Paul Offit

1049
00:46:26,349 --> 00:46:23,510
created 8 clearly written questions sent

1050
00:46:28,810 --> 00:46:26,359
it to them and then followed up nothing

1051
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:28,820
but crickets this led to Radford's

1052
00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:31,730
excellent response called plan Dimmick

1053
00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:33,800
ask questions but will

1054
00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:36,140
answer them and see the show notes well

1055
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:38,030
Richard will include it there for you I

1056
00:46:44,020 --> 00:46:41,030
guess you can guess what GS OWS response

1057
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,030
was yeah we added that article to all

1058
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:46,400
the Wikipedia pages we could hyperlink

1059
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:49,190
to Radford and off it and what will

1060
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:51,950
those will act as controls so when we

1061
00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:53,570
look at the page view numbers in a few

1062
00:46:58,450 --> 00:46:55,700
days we'll be able to see a spike

1063
00:47:00,190 --> 00:46:58,460
hopefully remember when you do when you

1064
00:47:02,830 --> 00:47:00,200
do any kind of activism you want to try

1065
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:02,840
to find a way of measuring your activism

1066
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:05,210
so I'm expecting that people will

1067
00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:06,890
continue visiting the planned emic

1068
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:10,060
Wikipedia page in the last 10 days

1069
00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:12,740
250,000 people have viewed the English

1070
00:47:17,110 --> 00:47:15,080
Wikipedia page and we're hoping to see a

1071
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:17,120
spike in the number of times people view

1072
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:21,250
the Ben Radford Paul Offit pages showing

1073
00:47:25,570 --> 00:47:23,720
that people are reading the content we

1074
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:25,580
left and also checking out the Radford

1075
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:28,370
and off it with PD pages it should tell

1076
00:47:33,220 --> 00:47:31,400
us something the about time project is

1077
00:47:36,430 --> 00:47:33,230
also starting a new lecture series on

1078
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:36,440
zoom called about time presents you can

1079
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:39,290
find us on Facebook as well as on

1080
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:44,030
YouTube after the fact check these out

1081
00:47:49,180 --> 00:47:46,250
Richard Saunders will be one of our

1082
00:47:50,290 --> 00:47:49,190
upcoming talks so please you know come

1083
00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:50,300
and listen to one of our lectures

1084
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:52,820
interact with the speakers ask questions

1085
00:47:59,170 --> 00:47:56,210
share the UK skeptics are also doing

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every week a wonderful skeptics in the

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pub and I believe several other

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organizations are doing so as well so

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you should have no excuse that you can't

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visit with whatever our lectures from

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all over the world and possibly you will

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be one of the people we talk to next so

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thanks all stay safe and sane

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thank you for listening to the skeptics

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on podcast and thank you to all those

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wonderful reporters who joined me this

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week in the think tank we'll do it again

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maybe every month or so we'll get

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together and have a think tank session

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we'll try to get different reporters

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they all couldn't make it this time and

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we'll get some special guests ringings

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as well maybe may not can do a dance for

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us I don't know and thank you to all

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those listeners who keep showing their

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going to stay in your ears to buy

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equipment you know I've been bidding on

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a cup of nice microphones lately on eBay

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and every time in the last three times

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I've tried to get a nice microphone

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someone sniped me in the last 10 minutes

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oh well but it's only due to listeners

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like you that I can even bid on

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microphones and keep the show going at

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all so thank you very much and if you

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oh and here's the late note apparently

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the the blog post the Facebook reply

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that Iran reported on from Telstra was

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actually a fake Telstra said it wasn't

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them but they wish they had done it

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anyway we're certainly not sure of

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conspiracy theories these days but for

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this week this is Richard Saunders

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signing off from Sydney Australia you've

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